EPISODE 17: We buy a car and swallow the key (aka the non-cynical minimalist episode)
It's a joy to be alive. It's good to be glad. Good to survive. It's great to be mad.
Leon:Hello. Episode seven. Episode
Jacob:Episode seven. They just keep racking up.
Leon:One after the other.
Leon:I I forgot because last episode in our intercommunications, I I got them mixed up and I thought that last episode was episode 17. So I was thinking that we were turning 18 this this time, but not yet.
Jacob:Not yet. Not yet.
Justin:We're almost we're almost able to go to a bar.
Leon:In Quebec. In Quebec.
Justin:We'll have to have a really raucous eighteenth episode for our drinking birthday.
Leon:It'll be good.
Leon:So you'll have to excuse the the extra gravelly timbre. I'm a little under the weather.
Justin:I thought you were Mark Loser, actually. Was
Leon:Yeah. I also I'm also went to see a show yesterday against my better judgment. I should have stayed home and and and just nursed my cold, but I went to see a kick ass first act at Fufun Elektik. I have to shout out this band, Kidd Dish. Amazing band.
Leon:Amazing Great. Yeah. It's they build themselves as medieval punk, and it's exactly what you expect. It's like chain mail. They had like a cork synthesizer interludes, but really, really, really good music.
Leon:So it's worth checking out.
Jacob:How did you find out about that then?
Leon:Well, they were I'm just yeah, so there's there's a website called ask a punk. I think it's a network, and they have one for each each city. And it's just a concert listing website. And because I'm not really on social media anymore, I don't really know what's happening. So I just go on that website and and check out the shows that are coming up.
Leon:And I just picked a date and just listened to all the all the links on the on the line.
Jacob:That's awesome.
Leon:And this just blew me away. They're they're really, really amazing. They have this one EP recorded in 2024, and they've just been running the same, like, six songs for, like, year and a half. But it's kick ass. It's really, really good.
Leon:It's worth checking out.
Justin:I've been thinking about how I haven't been on social media for about fifteen years. I've never really been on it. And so the world seemed like it got really boring and nothing happens. And it's just because I don't know about anything. Yeah.
Justin:Nobody sends me emails anymore to that stuff. I'm like, wow. There's no more shows. There's no more
Leon:Yeah. Great. I I know the feeling. It's it's really weird.
Jacob:I was gonna say my only relationship to to social media is Facebook, but I've kind of bet not banned, but turned off all the announcements against my better judgment. So I don't know.
Leon:You're just looking at baby pictures always keeping the good stuff.
Jacob:It's like buying a car but smaller than a cube.
Leon:That's
Justin:a great performance piece actually.
Leon:Chase it with gasoline.
Leon:Chase it with gasoline.
Leon:Yeah. But I I've been actually, this is this is kind of relatively new. I guess it's been maybe not even a year that I'm I'm I've been off, and it I just keep remembering, like, things used to work, like how we used to be in the know. I mean, there there was a lot of stuff that was word-of-mouth or or just handing out flyers outside of outside of shows. Posters.
Leon:Posters.
Jacob:Wasn't there montrealshows.com? Montrealshows.com?
Leon:Yeah. There was that. But there was also, like, four weekly cultural newspapers, you
Justin:know Mhmm.
Leon:Which is really a sad state of affairs. I I mean, that was that was just like, you know, anyone could could know what was happening, you know, not not just not just people who wanted p p people in certain scenes or whatever. It's like anyone and their mother could could know what was happening. And I've one of these weeklies is still has still exists. I think there is a print edition, but it shall not be named.
Leon:I kinda subscribe to their RSS feed just to in hopes of keeping abreast of what's happening. And literally three quarters of the content is about online casinos. Jesus. It's really, really, really, Oh, no. No.
Leon:No. No. No. No. If if you don't mind, I'd like to kick off the show.
Justin:Great. Great.
Leon:It this is I I will warn you in advance. Like, you don't have to follow my lead. It's probably better if you don't follow my lead for this round, but I have to play this track because I've I've been kind of obsessed by it for the past couple of months when I when I first landed on it. So content warning, Michael Neiman.
Jacob:Yeah.
Leon:It's it's actually I'll I'll talk about it after we some time. Be better. Yeah. I know. Yeah.
Leon:I got some explaining to
Leon:do. But but
Leon:yeah. This one's this is a banger. Okay. Here we go. Yeah.
Leon:So that's the noseless song by Michael Neiman, the Michael Neiman band. Yeah. I I think that's pretty good. You know? I think it's a banger.
Leon:I was last fall for some slightly cynical reasons, was revisiting all the the minimalist classical music, but of a certain vein and thought of checking out Michael Neiman to see if it was as bad as I remembered.
Jacob:And it
Leon:it largely is in in, like, 9095% is still very, very bad. But then I landed on this, and it was it kinda just yeah. I just feel like putting this on really loud in the house, like, all
Leon:the time.
Leon:I don't know. Yeah.
Justin:What were the cynical reasons to go back
Leon:to minimalism? This is like, I
Leon:gotta dig into that. So maybe just some context. I'm I'm back in school, and one of my projects, I had to do a corporate video. I
Leon:understand that.
Justin:You don't
Jacob:need to say anything
Leon:else. Yeah.
Leon:So basically, it's like, okay. What's all the Errol Morris kind of stuff, you know? Straight
Justin:line to Michael Demon.
Leon:Exactly. Exactly.
Leon:So, yeah, was I was doing that and fell on this. The the story but I'm not gonna go into all the story, but there is basically, it's based on an old novel, maybe from the sixteenth or seventeenth century. But there's like this ambassador from the country of noses or something that visits Strasbourg, and it's just a list of all the accounts of the witnesses who see him. And they're all like, they can't believe the nose. And those are the lyrics.
Leon:I'm just gonna read some of them because it's actually quite delightful. There is more in it than any of a dozen of the largest noses put together in all of Strasbourg. 'Tis a false nose made of fir tree. There's a pimple on it. 'Tis a dead nose.
Leon:'Tis a live nose. And if I am alive myself, I will touch it. So that's that's the the nose list song.
Justin:Sounds like a Brian Caitlin novel. I
Leon:love it. I
Leon:was also just reading about Michael Neiman after after stumbling on this, and he basically sums up his entire shtick like himself. I think the origin story is him trying to play Mozart's Don Giovanni as if Jerry Lee Lewis was playing it.
Justin:Wow.
Leon:And, like, that's his anecdote, you know, to talk about how he landed on his recipe. And that's basically it. Like Wow. Sustained Mozart played by Jerry Lee Lewis for, like, you know, decades.
Jacob:That's crazy.
Justin:I mean, commit to the bit. Right?
Leon:Commit to the bit.
Justin:It's great. I think I have a pretty awesome I have three different follows But like, just wanted like it went three different directions. What do you say, Jacob? You got something you got? You
Jacob:wanna No. I just wanted to add something. Listening to it totally reminded me of Peter Greenaway. It totally Peter Greenaway's
Leon:Yeah. That's that's I'm aware.
Justin:Because Neiman did all the music for his
Leon:films.
Justin:Right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And a question about it too.
Justin:Like, this also gives me one of those Berenstain Bears,
Leon:you know Hallucination.
Justin:Eczema eczema things. You know, like, the this is, like, the alternate like, I feel like we flipped into a reality because in my entire life, I've known him as Michael Niemann, not Michael Neiman. And I don't know. Did it change? Have we left have we left one timeline into another where it's now Michael Neiman?
Justin:Or is it
Leon:I've I've checked according to one source, which I I don't know if it's any good, but one source pointed out how to pronounce his name and it was
Justin:This is this is totally like, we were in a new timeline. Like, it's the it's the it really messes my head. Like, now everyone says eczema too. Like, it was eczema when I was a kid. I lived in another world where eczema in another timeline.
Jacob:It's like the same time.
Justin:Bernstein, Bears, and he's like, we moved into alternate universes. I can't
Jacob:Or also pinch on, pinch in.
Leon:Yeah. This is it too. Yeah.
Jacob:Pinch in, pinch on.
Justin:Pinch on. It's it's all like, I don't know which timeline we're in. In the other timeline, there's so much other good stuff happening. This is
Leon:like Yeah.
Justin:Back to the Michael Nygren time. Great. Cool. So then I got somewhere to go with this. So there's there's three different directions I want you guys to pick.
Justin:There's there's there's no. I'll just pick one.
Jacob:It's good. You
Leon:just pick one?
Justin:Yeah. I think I'm gonna go with an the energetic the energetic answer and also obsession answer. So here we go. One moment, please.
Jacob:Yeah. I just wanna say that
Justin:I just wanna say that when people tell you you can karaoke anything now
Leon:in this year,
Justin:it's not true. I wanna karaoke that. And there's no karaoke version of that on the YouTube.
Leon:It it actually did sound like you singing scamming along.
Justin:It's hilarious. I I that was three years ago, that was my number one most played song. Because I learned it. I could do that song. I just worked on it in my car.
Justin:That's Macgrave, Ikrit. It's incredible band. I love these guys so much. And, yeah, really, really, there's a straight line from Michael Nuffman.
Leon:Absolutely. I see it. So so good.
Jacob:Does it fade out at one point and fade?
Justin:Exactly. Yeah.
Leon:I was gonna say.
Jacob:I mean, if they do this kind of style, they could go for an hour feeding in and out.
Leon:Oh, It
Leon:could be a thing.
Justin:Mean, the
Jacob:album Fading.
Justin:The album kinda is that a bit. It's it's such a great record. It's yeah. And, I mean, it's it's also complete. Like, these people are maniacs.
Justin:What crazy players. It's insane. It's insane.
Jacob:Such a huge fan of this fading out, I must say. It's such a great thing. It's just really even at the end, the way it fades out, feels like it's just gonna go on forever,
Leon:but I Yeah.
Jacob:It's amazing.
Leon:Out into the sunset. Mhmm. Yeah. Wow. That was so good.
Leon:That was really, really good. And it was the great antidote.
Justin:It brought the it brought the antidote from another direction, from a historical place. It's great.
Leon:Excellent.
Leon:I mean,
Justin:I think if you put Jacko Pastorius and Michael Nyman in the place
Leon:Possibly.
Justin:Might wind up there. It's great.
Jacob:So how am I gonna, like, merge now these two into one with no idea?
Justin:Just See what you're gonna do.
Jacob:I'm just stumped. I'm gonna play something here. Let me see. That might work with it or not. But before I play it, I'll say, what I love about this piece is that it's just so basic.
Jacob:You know, I love this idea when you feel like you press a button and the sound comes out, and then you press the button again and the sound goes out on
Leon:and off on and off.
Jacob:I really like that. And, you know, this idea, I'd like to sometimes, like, live in this world where just I I live in an empty room with just this bed with this couch on the floor and this table with, like, two machines, and I just, like, turn on the sound and turn
Leon:off the sound.
Jacob:Turn on the sound and turn off the sound. And I have only three sounds to work with. So this is kind of this idea, but it's very OG, so it's very pretty amazing. So let me
Leon:just play
Jacob:Amazing. So that was Robert Hood, the OG of Detroit with the track called Self Powered off the Minimal Nation record. I should really really suggest that anyone should buy this record on an album like an LP and just have Robert Hood's big head looking at you.
Leon:Oh, yeah.
Jacob:Well, each track is playing and him going, what do you think? The cover is amazing. And the music is amazing. The track is amazing. And then in fact, it reminded me a little bit, Leon, when we used to do music together of that sort, and you would have like a synthesizer and then you would press a button and suddenly it changes.
Jacob:You're thinking, okay. Well, I guess
Leon:that's what's happening now.
Jacob:It has this kind of vibe to it. I find
Leon:what it's
Leon:like. Absolutely. I've got
Jacob:this thing. Should I maybe just twiddle this knob? Oh, okay.
Leon:And then it goes.
Jacob:Anyway, very hopeful music in my mind.
Leon:Oh, man. That's so good. So good. It's timeless.
Justin:What is that from?
Jacob:Oh, god. I just think off the top of my head, it must be early nineties.
Leon:Yeah. I think so too.
Justin:So good.
Jacob:Yeah. And what's amazing too is just like with three sounds, it sounds
Leon:like Detroit. Just like three sounds. Yeah.
Jacob:It's and and you can really feel the the three machines doing the sound. It's really kind of a great situation to be in, I think. Just sell everything and buy three machines that can do it.
Justin:It's it's really funny when you talk when you introduce this. I thought it was gonna be some, like, minimalist check, like, tape music guy that, like, has an
Leon:air conditioner and a
Justin:and a refrigerator and, like, a and he's just unplugging the beach, which I would really like. I'd probably have started it up, but great. That was fantastic. Not where I was expecting it to go.
Leon:It's amazing. Yeah. Jacob, you had you had sent me this a little a little while ago, and it's Yeah. It's so good to revisit. It holds up so well.
Leon:It's Yeah. Because it's so stripped back. Like, there's absolutely no apart from the machines, there's no production. There's, like, no effects, no nothing. It's just dry right off right out of the machines.
Leon:Yeah. And because of how elemental it is, it just holds up.
Jacob:And it feels it feels like sci fi because of the machines. Like, seems like that kind of music has lost its sci fi aspect. And here you feel the sci fi, like, Motor City sci fi, you know.
Leon:Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think I know what you're you're saying. With a lot of
Leon:the
Leon:production values that are added on, you get more of an atmosphere,
Leon:I guess. Yeah. Yeah.
Leon:But this is just like the the the the
Jacob:Yeah. They're just the ingredients.
Leon:Yeah. Shout out to Robert Hood who's been for for the past ten ten years has been doing a father daughter DJ duo combo. Well, that's amazing. I I didn't realize that it had been this long, but I remembered, like, in the mid mid twenty tens, he started inviting his his teenage daughter to come DJ with him, and it would completely kill the would actually people would get so upset by it because she was not a DJ and she also would put on, like, pop music songs, like, in the middle of the sets and stuff and and, like, kinda create this this, like, chaotic
Jacob:That's amazing. Sounds so good.
Leon:Butt. But she was so, you know, loving and he really wanted to include her in this. And they've been doing this for ten years, so she's now like a super crack DJ, you know? And they're like and also, what other father daughter DJ duo do you know of? You know?
Leon:This is amazing. Yeah. So shout out to Robert Hood and I think her name is Lyric Hood.
Justin:Wow. What
Jacob:are gonna do? Yeah. He's been he's been such a quiet element of this whole thing because if you think about it, he really started it with, like, Jeff Mills and Ben Mike. Yeah. And they they made a huge name for themselves, and he was only the quiet
Leon:guy. Absolutely.
Jacob:His stuff is amazing. His early stuff, especially.
Leon:Yeah. I I think his spiritual and religious beliefs kind of speak to that that quietness. I think he's a very, very devoted Christian. And the whole his whole mission with the music is is, like, gospel, basically.
Leon:Yeah. Yeah.
Leon:Beautiful. So I think it's that has something that kind of modesty has has something to do with it. Wow. That was great. Thank you.
Justin:And perfect with the the like, this is an episode 17, man. Like, this
Leon:is great. Like, we gotta like,
Justin:it's the non cynical minimalist.
Jacob:That's right. It is.
Leon:It's great.
Leon:I love it.
Leon:It actually yeah. I had something else queued up that's that's gonna follow that really nicely. Something that maybe maybe some of you may have heard already. I only heard this, well, a couple of months ago, but it came out came out in 2024, I think. Do you know this, Justin?
Leon:Yeah. It came out on Black Truffle, so I I know that you're big fan. Yeah. So this is Limpet Fuchs with Mark Fell.
Leon:Mhmm.
Leon:It's some really strange music. This is a track called Deso Gia two. Here we go.
Jacob:That was beautiful.
Leon:Yeah. That's a a duo by Limpet Fuchs and Mark Fell. The piece is called Desogia two, taken from an album called Desogia Quich Falk that came out in 2024 on Black Truffle. Limpet Fooks is one half of Anima Sound. And she's been making music ever since, inventing instruments, improvising.
Leon:And Mark Fell is one half of SND.
Jacob:Oh, Jesus. Right.
Leon:So they they met in 2015 at a Canadian experimental music festival, send and receive. Where is that? In in the
Jacob:Winnipeg. No?
Leon:Winnipeg. Yeah.
Justin:Yeah. I think so.
Leon:And they've been talking about collaborating since then. And in 2022, Mark fell went to visit her in in Germany, and they they recorded, like, in a in a barn. And I just love the it's it's like paleo sci fi. So somehow, which is not the first time I've I've I've heard this kind of combination, but it I think it's really it's really beautiful in in this. And it the whole album is very restrained in this in this way where it's really just straight improv, no overdub.
Leon:So it's quite quite minimal, and it's really really entrancing.
Jacob:It's such an unlikely collaboration. It's gonna be Yeah. Weird.
Leon:But isn't that an awesome matchup?
Leon:Yeah. Yeah.
Justin:It's and, like, I love that that happened in Winnipeg too. Like, that
Leon:just adds another layer of awesomeness to the
Justin:whole thing. You know? It's, like, fantastic. Thank you, Winnipeg. It's great.
Justin:I love it. It's very the the thing that's really nice too is the, like, the sonic texture of it. Like, there's just such a beautiful kinda palette that's really like, the I was listening to this Russian composer. I I can't remember her name, but really dramatic, really super intense music. And what was so remarkable about her music was the palette of instruments that she chose because it just left all this space.
Justin:You know? And this kinda feels the same way to me. Like, there's just these, like, really interesting spaces between the tonalities that they're using. I love it. It's, like, really open.
Leon:Yeah. Yeah. And it's like the the electronics are, I mean, he's he's quite a nimble fellow, Markfel, with the with the FM synthesis. And he's, like, going into places that are very, very compatible with with the Mhmm. With this the sounds that that Fooks is is putting out.
Leon:But then also, like, just tweaking them to get that sci fi edge. But Mhmm. But there's, like, parts where, you know, it really marries and gels really well. So there's this kind of moire kind of thing happening where it's like the, you know, the sounds are are married and then they something jumps out and it's like, I find that really, really, really great.
Jacob:Yeah. It's an enjoyable space to be in. It's really wonderful.
Justin:I also gotta compliment you on your pronunciation game today, Leon. Like, you're damn Yes.
Leon:Killing you. You're killing you.
Justin:There's a lot of words there that I really struggle with. Like, you rehearse before this?
Leon:Yeah. Am. That's amazing.
Justin:I'm I'm really impressed. Great. K. So I gotta think about, like, whether I go I mean, it's hard to follow that one, man. That's a tricky one.
Justin:I was
Leon:There's a lot of there's a lot of, you know, crevices and stuff that you just kinda break out.
Justin:Explore. Yes. I might I plan to play another karaoke favorite, but I'm
Leon:not gonna do it.
Justin:I might see it for the last.
Leon:That's like such a winning proposal. Yeah. It's very attractive.
Leon:I'm really
Justin:I'm all about the karaoke right now. It's great. I gotta figure it out. But I think I'm gonna go this this is interesting because it's actually something that's not really about song itself that makes this next piece work. So I'm gonna I'm gonna try and do this because I think it follows it well.
Justin:So that's a very, very interesting, very curious track that I would say is Hiroshi Yosimura with Nikuro Earnhardt, which isn't official. But what I love about YouTube is sometimes you get
Leon:I know where it's like on this page.
Justin:Something was very deeply wrong with that guy's cartridge. And, like, when he put that on YouTube, and it changes the track so deeply, and it makes it so fantastic. And it adds so much to it. I actually have this record in on vinyl, and it sounds nothing like that. Like, it's so different.
Justin:And there's all this, like, kind of clunking and, like like, weird distortion and stuff that's happening that I just fucking love. It's incredible and, like, totally amazing. The record itself is worth listening to on its own. It's a beautiful record, but it's not like, it wouldn't fit after the after the thing you just played without the crunchy part of it. And so it this is a very interesting record too.
Justin:It's called AIR Air and Resort, which is a Japanese perfume from the eighties, and it was released as, like, kind of complement to the perfume that you could write in for or whatever. It's an Amediti record. I love that. It says it on the cover. And the bag of my record still smells like the perfume.
Justin:Oh, wow. So, like, it's it's amazing. And it's, yeah, it's it's quite a beautiful beautiful, interesting thing, but it's so much better with with the cartridge. So thank you, Nick for that beautiful upload. Rendition.
Justin:Yeah. Like, it's a remix, really.
Leon:Like, it really is.
Justin:And it's like and I love this about the technological moment that we live in because many people that don't know that record would listen to that and think that that is absolutely intentional.
Jacob:Yeah.
Justin:And it's totally not, and I love it. I love the compression. I love everything about it. It's a beautiful object. So Yeah.
Leon:But thanks thanks for playing that record because I've seen the sleep a lot and had never stopped to listen to it. But there's a whole album in this thing.
Justin:Yeah. Yeah. It's very, very, very delicate. Like, it's like mostly roads and a little bit of tinkly.
Leon:It's really. It's really pretty. It's really super pretty. So very perfume perfume music kinda feel
Jacob:like that guy released, like, millions of records? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Someone else No.
Jacob:He has these, but out the truth.
Justin:And they're they're all really great. I have a few of them. I really like them. And they're great for when you have people over who don't like music. You know?
Justin:No. They're really good. They're really good for those dinners. You know? It's, like, excellent.
Jacob:I love it.
Leon:But, yeah, the I I yeah. The turntable add on is great.
Jacob:It's incredible.
Leon:It's really great. I was at first, I really thought it was like, oh, is he, like, just playing with his right hand on the roads and then his left hand is just tapping on top of the roads or something? Yeah. Just like not playing notes and just tapping along? Or what what's happening?
Leon:What is Alright. But it's really yeah. It does definitely add something to it. And then it just starts sounding like he's jamming with Jeff German or something. Yeah.
Justin:Yeah. Yeah. And the weird, like, electronics too. Like, something really strange was going with the cartridge or it was picking up resonances. Yeah.
Justin:And like, I was just like, this is I want that instrument. I love this instrument. It's incredible.
Leon:That's really great.
Justin:Yeah. So Jacob, you're up.
Jacob:Well, I'm totally gonna follow this up. This is not something I would play if I invited people over.
Leon:Oh, didn't like music.
Jacob:So I'm gonna just like pecker my weight into this one. Amazing. Here we go.
Justin:How to get a hold of that other guy's turntable? That's right.
Jacob:So this was Achim Mosheid's CD Moves, which is in fact one of the first experimental CDs I've ever heard, really.
Leon:I'm thinking to Wow. Myself
Jacob:Incredible. The hell is this? This particular track is called cups. And from what I understand, he's got these weird little things that he puts on the cups. The cups do the sound.
Jacob:But what's funny about this record is that he really takes it to, you know, the logical sequence of it. He tries it with chairs, apparently, flatware, bucket, pot top. Wow. So so basically, the tracks are cops called cops one, chair two, flatware four, chair three, bucket three. What a crazy sounding record.
Jacob:And if I understand correctly, this is the guy who started me in Plateau, if I'm not wrong. Yeah. So it's really completely
Justin:Yeah. Is.
Jacob:Very experimental beginnings of of was also part of p 16 before, if I'm not wrong with Ruffley Husky. Yeah. But a wonderful little piece. It's incredible.
Leon:Yeah. It's so good. It's so good. And when you catch on, you just feel how fun it must have been to make this music,
Justin:you know?
Leon:It's just like this wide eyed wonder of just like, I got this little motor thing. Let's go. What what does this sound like?
Leon:What does
Jacob:that even Let's sound see what it sounds like on a chair.
Justin:That's what it sounds like
Leon:But it's so pretty. Yeah. That's great.
Jacob:But I remember hearing this the first time and thinking that was like years ago. I was thinking, what the hell is this? This is crazy.
Justin:Yeah. I also really love how at first it's like, oh, okay. I gotta buckle up. This is gonna be a few minutes of this. This is intense.
Justin:And then after a few seconds, like, maybe it took me about twelve, like, thirty six seconds. I was just, like, in this really wonderful space with it, and I really loved it.
Leon:And then I'm like, oh,
Justin:and then by the time it ends, I'm like, oh, I didn't want that to end. Yeah. And there's something else too. Like, I don't know how he tuned it to particular vertebrae in my neck, but, like, that looks you're like it was resonating, like, specific vertebrae really intensely. I'm like, woah.
Justin:That's wild. That's an experience. Yeah. Music should be more of an experience more of.
Jacob:It should be. You know? Like, that's
Justin:an experience. That's actually an experience. I love that. Yeah.
Leon:That's that that was really great. Who's the fluxes dude that does the sun? Jojo Jojo Jojo Jojo Jones. Jojo Jones. Jones.
Leon:Yeah.
Jacob:It does remind me
Leon:of that. Yeah. It's a bit of that.
Jacob:Jones feel to it. Yeah. I was just gonna say it almost feels like it's just gonna lose control. Like, it's it's the whole thing's gonna come out.
Leon:It's like she's just gonna put it up for this.
Jacob:And it's just kinda holding on to it until it just we're
Leon:at the limit. It seems
Jacob:that's great. Sorry, Justin.
Justin:No. I was just saying I was I've I've dug around trying to find some Jo Jones. I have a bunch on Vinyl, but, like, on YouTube and stuff, it's really, really hard to find online. It's funny, like, as as some we could play on the show.
Leon:Yeah. There's it's funnily enough, not everything is on the Internet. It's really it's really interesting to to see what is not on the Internet. And Wow. Yeah.
Leon:It just begs the question, like, why is it not, you know, what leaves up to those choices?
Justin:It's a thing where it actually would be a really beautiful conceptual art piece to, like, fill an apartment, like, make a space that's just filled with stuff that doesn't exist on the Internet Yeah. And have like, you'd able to go into the Internet free zone for, like, hours, and
Jacob:it's just really, like,
Justin:oh my god. I'd love to do that.
Leon:Yeah. Yeah. But that was that was great. I mean, yeah, sure it's intense, but he's just the the the playfulness just comes through. Even even if the even if it was like a super rigorous kinda exercise, you know, It's there's still like this kind of impishness behind the the idea that's that's like really Yeah.
Leon:I find that quite charming.
Leon:Yeah. And it
Jacob:has also this kind of scary element of experimental music that I miss, you know, this kind of thing of like,
Leon:woah. Yeah. Yeah.
Jacob:I do miss that. It's like, far is this gonna go?
Leon:Yeah. Yeah.
Justin:Great.
Leon:I'm gonna I don't know. Yeah. I mean, this is
Justin:So many directions.
Jacob:So many I mean, gonna you could take from the cops.
Leon:Yeah. Yeah.
Leon:I'm gonna stick with the in the minimal vein. Though the the mood is it's going to cloud over
Leon:a little bit.
Leon:We're we're out of the playfulness and into something else, but staying in the to the minimal. So maybe I'm gonna just do a quick intro. This is I'm gonna play a track by Jane and Barton, which were a I guess you'd call them an indie duo in the eighties. This is from an album self titled album released in 1983 on Cherry Red in The UK. The track is called You Are Over There.
Leon:Jane, I forget her full name, put out solo records as well. And one of her tracks got kind of absorbed into pop culture in the nineties or February by a Eurodance band called Opus three. And but it's basically I thought it was a sample of chain and Barton record, but it's actually a remake. Like, they rerecorded a melody. The the the cover version is it was a fine day.
Leon:I don't know if that rings any bell, but if ever you hear it on the radio, you'll instantly recognize it. But this is another track called You Are Over There, and I am really fascinated by how this was possibly considered indie music because it's just incredibly minimal. It's so sparse. So, yeah, that was my little introduction. So, Jane and Barton, you are over there.
Justin:Kiss.
Leon:Teeth
Leon:So that was Jane and Barton, You're Over There taken from their self titled record from 1983. It's really weird. I find that a record like that could be put out as a as a pop, you know, quote unquote pop record. Yeah. The there's like a cup.
Leon:I think there are one or two tracks where they're more than one instrument playing. Mhmm. But the whole record is like that.
Justin:I'm really glad you brought it back to the karaoke theme.
Jacob:This would
Justin:be an incredible song to karaoke. Yeah.
Leon:It would be nice.
Justin:And I'm sure there
Leon:is one. There is a karaoke
Justin:version of that Oh,
Leon:yeah. Sure. For sure.
Jacob:Beautiful song. Beautiful. Yeah.
Leon:Yeah. The karaoke version is basically just silence. Exactly.
Justin:And actually, the the guy's turntable upload was actually adding quite a bit to that too.
Leon:Also, yeah. Also definitely
Leon:add There's some
Justin:themes running through episode 17. I like it. I love how the themes just emerge. It's great.
Leon:Yeah. Yes.
Jacob:Beautiful. Totally the beginning totally reminded me of Lamont Young's well two piano. It had this weird off of, like, and then I was thinking it would go like that the whole way through and then she starts singing. It's beautiful.
Justin:Yeah. Yeah. I mean, the tuning of the piano is pretty
Jacob:Yeah. Tuning.
Justin:Wild. Like, it's Yeah. Really not Yeah. It's it's a beautifully out of tune piano. It's like
Jacob:It's basically there.
Justin:Out of tune.
Jacob:And such a kind of a
Leon:kitchen kitchen piano Yeah. Vibe. It's amazing. Yeah.
Justin:Yeah. It's nice. I love too with things like that because you feel the materiality of the music in such an intense way. Like, you really feel physical space of the piano and, like, the touch and the like, it's so
Jacob:so physical space also of her voice. I love this idea when her voice is just, like, barely cracking. It's just kind of Yeah. Beautiful. This kind of sensitive
Justin:Incredible singer. Yeah. Ted, what what do you know? Do you know anything else about these people? Like, is there any
Leon:Yeah. Well, like, I'm I'm gonna okay. So I'm gonna queue up the the Eurodance song. Just just just
Justin:play a second of it.
Leon:Yeah. Yeah. There you go. So Wow. That's that's the track.
Leon:But basically, it's not a sample. It's they actually got another singer to sing it who I kinda read about this. I think she was like a Krusty Raver. Wow. The singer who was actually a big fan of Jane and Barton.
Leon:Wow. So she was, like, really, really stoked about covering the that song.
Justin:Mhmm. Crazy.
Leon:But the original is is super beautiful. It's it's really just an acapella, and it's fun to drop in the the dance music sets because people think it's the acapella of Ah, the orchestra. Yeah. But it's completely different. So it's Amazing.
Leon:Really nice. But, yeah, the you know, I think they were a couple. Jaylen Barton put out a handful of records, and the singer also put out some solo records in the in the eighties.
Justin:Cherry Red is such a gold mine, man. There's so many great things on that label. It's just such a great label.
Leon:But this is not something that I would have automatically associated with. Yeah.
Justin:It's true. I it does lead me to my karaoke track, so I'm so happy I get to play it. And it's, like, it's perfect because this song you know, I was thinking a lot about conversations we've had about melody and, like, you know, like, lack of melody, minimalism. This is, like, the opposite. This is, like, hyper melody.
Justin:It goes it starts out very delicate, nice beginning from that. And it's just there's so many notes, and there's so And there's like and
Leon:they just go in the
Justin:best places. And it, like, it surprises you. Like, I realized I love melody when it gets really maximal and it really surprises you and it goes places. Like, you guys, where this starts, you're gonna be so surprised where it ends.
Leon:It's like
Justin:in Carthorpe Park or some shit. It's crazy. It's crazy. Okay. So I got you here.
Justin:One second. I'm gonna share. This is great. I'm in love with this song. I can't stop literally, like, I can't stop thinking about this song.
Justin:It's every minute of the day. It's in my head. I love it. Where are you here? Here we go.
Justin:Believe in miracles, and I believe in dreams. The things I believe, what do they mean? Here
Leon:I didn't want that to the end.
Jacob:Mine then. And that fade out again.
Leon:Amazing. Yes.
Justin:Dude has all the notes. Like, has every single note. Like, he
Jacob:was incredible.
Leon:It's So good.
Justin:It's O'Donnell Levy who is, like, such an insanely great and underrated guitar player. Like, it's yeah. He's just it's it's too much. And I also love how the piano player just, like, phones it in because he's like, I cannot sleep with this guy.
Leon:Like, he's just like he's got,
Justin:like, 16 bars solo. He's like, shit. I'm just like, I don't know what I'm doing here. It's like, it's it's so incredible.
Leon:That was amazing. That was so good.
Justin:Yeah. Special special guy.
Jacob:And that reminds me so much of you, Justin. It is really you. I find you the best of ways. That's really wonderful.
Justin:That makes me happy to hear.
Jacob:Yeah. That's great. Soulful and joyful and warm and crazy, all those things.
Justin:There you
Jacob:are. It's
Leon:a good contest.
Justin:I again, I really am so bummed that there's no karaoke version of that. I would work on that for, like, decades to be able to go do that at karaoke. That would be
Leon:incredible. Yeah.
Justin:What a what a great guy. That was great. Yeah. Jacob, it's
Leon:up to you to to get
Justin:us to the end here. Yeah. Yeah. I I mean, I I you into space there. I
Jacob:think I think I'm totally gonna bookend this one pretty well, I think. But I should mention this is one of perhaps my favorite pieces of music.
Leon:Oh, wow.
Jacob:And and I've always wanted to share it except you see, the thing is I I I don't have a lot of money, and so I can't really buy anything online. Right? And I couldn't find this anywhere where I could get it because everything in Poland, when you're thinking of the Polish currency, everything is four times more expensive. It's crazy. So if I'm buying a book, it's like instead of €15, it's like 70.
Jacob:And it's the same case with music. So I'm really I apologize to everybody out there that I'm such a bad, let's say, customer of music in terms of not being able to buy But I wanted to share this piece of music so much that I bought it. And I'll even add an anecdote to it because I bought it yesterday off of Bandcamp and a soup for €7. And as soon as I bought it, I get a instant message on my phone from my bank that my card is blocked because of fraudulent purchase. And And please wait for a couple of hours for someone to call you.
Jacob:And so I'm wait so I'm waiting and suddenly I get the call and there's this lady, she's like, hello. I'm like, hello. She says, did you buy something from Bandcamp for €7? And I was like, yes, I did. She's like, okay.
Jacob:So let me just verify who you are and it's fine. So then I'm thinking, but lady, every time I buy something from Bandcamp, you're gonna call me because this is really ridiculous. So it finally turned out in the end and and I purchased it for €7. And I should add also, by the way, maybe I'm gonna use my Ace card here because ever since we've started this show, I've never had a chance to play something longer. Something Mammoth.
Jacob:Ah. And this piece is very long and I'm not even gonna play the whole piece. I'm gonna play half of it. But it's one of the most wonderful pieces of music by a wonderful musician, composer, whatever. And it's also actually on black truffle, so maybe that also bookends it pretty So let's have a listen to it and I hope everybody enjoys it.
Jacob:Shall we? Yes. Yeah.
Justin:Yeah. Wonderful.
Jacob:So that was, I think I believe the last piece that Adamica composed. Oh, so you, Hermes, Orpheus, Eurydus, and it's nuts. I mean,
Justin:in like, what a genius, that guy. Hey? Like
Jacob:He said music is and this was just half of it. So for everybody out there, get the album to have the experience all the way to the end because it's quite something.
Leon:Wow.
Leon:So is the other half the mirror of the crescent where
Jacob:it No. I believe it just I it's been a while since I listened to the whole thing. I believe it just takes you really deep down.
Leon:Oh, wow. It
Jacob:just keeps going, I think.
Leon:Oh, wow. That's amazing.
Jacob:What a wonderful piece of music. I always get just goosebumps every time.
Leon:Oh, yeah.
Leon:So beautiful. I I feel really bad because I had to take a very short bathroom break at one point and also to get some tissue paper to blow my nose. I was trying to make it as fast as possible.
Leon:I was
Leon:like, I think I'll make sure that was in Lucy. And when I came back, something happened and it was slightly different. So at the beginning, there are these very clear stations that the the, I guess, the outside instruments come in.
Jacob:Yeah.
Leon:And at first, it sounds really it's not the right word, but I'm gonna use it, like, artificial as in, like, it's as in he's opening a door to another palette where it's not just the the, like, the soul electronic tone.
Jacob:Yeah.
Leon:And it sounds like it's faded in and then it's faded out again until the next station.
Jacob:Or fades.
Leon:Yes. More fades. But
Leon:then when I came back like, when I left, it was still like that. Like, just going through stations and just opening doors, closing them with, like and then I noticed that it was, like, different instruments started with, like, the violin, and then at some point, there was, like, a reed. And I left, came back, and then there's the voice, but everything is on the same room at that point. And I don't know if I don't know if that I hallucinated that or if that's something that happened or it happens so gradually that you don't really don't really notice it. But it it was yeah.
Leon:That's incredibly incredibly beautiful.
Jacob:Yeah. He he's such a unique composer. His his whole thing with the tone and how everything kind of confronts the tone and it changes the melody of everything. It's just such an incredible concept that he's essentially, you know, explored his entire life. It's amazing.
Leon:But what I find especially beautiful about it is that if you map it out on paper, it's just like these. You can essentially do it in a mathematical way where it's these, like, you know, from point a to point b. Maybe there's some curves or stuff, but he rubs it up to a physical world. Even the electronics are physical. You know?
Leon:It's not like a pure tone at all. It's that thing that that I mean, a couple episodes back, we were talking about Eliendre Dug and how she's, like, talking about the wild sounds, you know, the untamable sounds. Yeah. Yeah. It's that's it's so
Jacob:games like that.
Leon:Yeah. Where where there's like a path and there's a mission, you know, there's like a a clear objective, but you're just like kinda wrestling it, you know? Yeah. Wrestling with it to to get there, and it's so beautiful. Like the it's yeah.
Leon:It's really moving. It's Yeah.
Jacob:It's super moving.
Leon:That's really and and also just the limits of of performance with the with the instrumentalists and the the vocalists, like, you know, how literally, how low can you go, you know? Yeah. It's so awesome.
Jacob:And also given, you know, keeping in mind like, this is probably like that was his last recording. So it's like a lifetime of these kinds of explorations. Yeah. Pretty much culminated into this beautifully lyrical piece. Yeah.
Jacob:His early stuff is much more sometimes, let's say, technical, if you will.
Leon:Here, it's
Jacob:like super super poetic and
Leon:Yeah.
Jacob:Really lyrical and really really beautiful.
Justin:I mean, he goes so many different places, you know, for like, and also, I think, for me, the the experience of, like, I really wanna understand more of what the myth stuff that he's pulling for with that is because it feels like it feels ancient, that music, in a way that, like you know, it's the only other thing I've seen with ancient Greek mythology stuff that is like the Pasolini version of media, which is just heroin when you watch it. It's like it's so otherworldly Yeah.
Jacob:You're right.
Justin:And so strange and so like this is what.
Jacob:And hits it at the end. It hits the essence of it, really.
Justin:And, yeah, and it and this kind of does the same for me where there's this just, like, okay. I'm the utter strangeness of another way of seeing the world. And, like and then the other thing I love so much about Lucia for me is that, like, the physicality that you're talking about, Leon, like, for me, his music is so much about the real, like, and in in a sense where the real is almost ungraspable and then you put this very graspable real in front of you as a listener, as a witness, and it's so transcendent. Like, it's just like, it's absolutely transcendent. And you're like and it but it's just the real.
Justin:Like,
Leon:it's Yeah. Yeah.
Justin:So fundamentally the real. And you're It's
Jacob:like it's not trying to pull your leg or anything. It's absolutely real.
Leon:And there's
Justin:there's no story. There's no narrative. There's no it's just here is the fucking real. Like, this is this. It's so beautiful.
Justin:Wow. It's incredible.
Leon:Thank you so
Jacob:much. Piece of I love this piece of music, and I'm glad I could finally much. I could finally share it with you guys because it's really one of my favorite pieces of music I've heard in a while. And every time I listen to it, it feels like a religious experience. Yeah.
Leon:No. It's this thing that takes
Jacob:you somewhere else.
Justin:Yeah. It's it's funny because every time when we're, like, scrambling to get an episode together and I'm like, oh, man. I wonder how long we're gonna do this for. And I'm so busy. And then I'm like, you know, we do an episode and I'm like, this is the greatest thing of my life.
Justin:Like, hands down. This is better than anything else in my head.
Jacob:Thank you so much, Jacob. Holy shit. Thank you, guys.
Leon:I'm I definitely have to to hear the whole thing.
Leon:Yeah.
Leon:Because it it kind of actually, right before you faded it out, it kinda hinted I kinda got the impression that it was gonna climb
Jacob:I it's been it's been a while since I listened to the whole thing. Because it's really listening to the whole thing you gotta commit. Like, that's what I love about it. It's you gotta really decide, okay. I'm gonna sit down.
Jacob:I'm gonna take some time and commit to the whole thing. And it really has that weight to it. It's not just something that you can just put play on and whatever. It feels like you have to almost get ready for it. Yeah.
Jacob:And it feels great in that sense that you don't listen to it very often. But when you do, it always brings back that weight. Yeah. That's just so incredible.
Justin:It also would be great for the dinner parties when the people don't like music. Know? It's like, what's wrong with your air conditioner, man?
Leon:It's like, yeah.
Justin:It's crazy.
Leon:Why is my heart been slowing all the way down?
Justin:Yeah. I got cold. Like, my body temperature dropped. I had to go get a blanket and, wrap myself up. I was like,
Leon:woah, man.
Jacob:Well, he was such a wonderful man. Like, when you see interviews with LWC
Justin:Oh, yeah.
Leon:He's just such a great character.
Jacob:Yeah. Really amazing. Yeah.
Justin:It was him dying was I mean, even though he's, like, whatever, like, 99 or something, like, lived super long, healthy life. Was working right up until the end. Yeah. But, like, it was just like, it was still just such a huge loss. Like, I was, like, really dead, like, gutted when he died.
Justin:I was, like, Bob Ashley too. Like, just these people that were, like, they're the firmament. You know? Like, you're, like,
Jacob:oh, yeah.
Justin:You guys, they're incredible.
Jacob:Yeah. A couple days ago, in fact, it hasn't nothing to do with music, but we lost a really great documentary filmmaker called Fredrik Weisman who made these amazing films for the past seventy years. He was like 96. And that feels also when I heard the news, was like because every year there's a film that he makes. There's a new Weisman film and suddenly it's just like, oh, god.
Jacob:It's like the end of the line. That's it. Yeah. There's no more Wiseman. It's crazy.
Justin:Yeah. That was heartbreaking. Wow. What an episode, guys.
Jacob:That was a great episode.
Justin:Yeah. Yeah.
Leon:Thank you so much.
Justin:Man. I realized the karaoke was the through line too
Leon:because that was an incredible song.
Justin:You gotta wait for, like, forty minutes minutes and then, like, it's yeah.
Leon:Well, you gotta wait forty minutes in between lyrics, basically.
Leon:Yeah. It's good. And
Leon:there were lyrics. I'm actually really Yeah. Really super curious about the the text also.
Jacob:I love the word why. Why? Yeah. It's such a great word.
Justin:When the voice comes in the first time, it was shocking Like, to I was like I almost jumped out of my chair.
Jacob:I was
Justin:like, woah. Woah.
Leon:Okay. Well, that's
Justin:Hey, guys.
Leon:Something to go out on. Man, I want some some kind of cloud.
Justin:Yeah. Mhmm.
Leon:K. Well, thank you so much.
Jacob:Thank you, guys.
Leon:Everything. Thank you, music, for everything.
Justin:Thank you, for everything.