Episode 5: …is the greatest electronic instrument
John Coltrane said, I love supreme. I interpret that too. Living things. Donnie Hathaway said, the ghetto. Woody Shaw said, why?
Rick holmes:John f Kennedy said, that's not what your country can do for you. Ask what you can do for your country. Martin Luther King said, I have a tree. Stevie Wonder said, inner vision, interpretation, watch
jacob:with your ears.
Rick holmes:Aretha Franklin said, respect. Barry White said, love. Nina Simone said, to be young, young, and black. James Brown said, stay in school. Panama Emily said
Jutim:What a good intro,
Leon:That's fantastic. I'm I'm happy about the new the new theme music. It's a it's a good message. Good message to the youth. Good message to the the olds.
Leon:Good message to everyone.
jacob:And and CDSoteric says, we're open.
Leon:We're open.
Jutim:We're open. Once again. Once again.
Leon:Episode five. Thank you everyone for hanging on and sticking with us through our various
Jutim:Technical hurdles.
Leon:Technical experimental hurdles. So it's your listenership is greatly appreciated. Welcome to episode five, everyone.
jacob:And we're also which is, by the way, imagining each and every one of you with us here.
Leon:Yes. Yes.
jacob:Each and one of you
Jutim:don't know. Even
jacob:going even the ones we don't know, going down the stairs you are into the basement, seeing us behind the counter. You're there with us, and, we wanna thank you for being with us.
Leon:Yeah. And and for bearing with the carpet also. Carpet. For bearing with the carpet.
Jutim:And we're constantly wondering which one of you is going to buy one of the percussions of Strasbourg records that are behind us.
Leon:Yeah. But Yeah. The sleeves are are slowly peeling off.
Jutim:Yeah. But in such an elegant way. Yes. Is a true Wabi Sabi. It's so beautiful.
Jutim:Great. Yeah. It is the it is the gentleman is the dead of winter in Montreal. It's and I I thought a lot about this. I thought a lot about February party.
Jutim:I know it's it's Colin Burn in there. Colin Burn in there. Yeah. But, like, the survival of this time of year, historically. The
Leon:emergency February party.
Jutim:Emergency February party.
Leon:Yeah. They
Jutim:often went into March. And Yeah. My liver is still suffering from. But the the thought of of it being emergency February party, this episode could go two ways. So I wanna know whether we're going for the dead of winter and really embracing it or whether we're going for emergency February party because I've got both prepared.
Jutim:So I wanna know what what whatever you guys are feeling this.
Leon:I I think, I I think everything can live at the same time as as, it seems to do despite us. Yeah. I've to be honest, I I kinda got a, a very, soothing selection going, but I think, I think the the harshness is also welcome. I'm ready
Jutim:I'm ready for the dead of winter. How are you feeling, Jacob, about it? Well, I'm I mean, how is it there?
jacob:No no snow. No nothing.
Jutim:Great. Wow.
jacob:And it's like plus something.
Jutim:Wild. There's no snow.
jacob:Yeah. We're like zero. There's no snow in Poland ever almost. Wow. But I'm up for it.
jacob:I I'd love to feel that vibe. I do miss it from time to time.
Jutim:Okay. Yeah. If I've if I can if I can take the lead then I've got a very nice bed of winter intro track. If you guys are ready for it. Yeah.
Jutim:Absolutely.
jacob:It's a long one.
Jutim:It's a long one and it can't edit, so but it'll it'll set the mood in
Leon:a Absolutely.
Jutim:And it's also this was inspired by, I love this idea of esoteric exclusives because we always had that case, you know, of the music that people we knew made
Leon:Yes.
Jutim:That was we'd always push people towards. And so I think I'm very excited about trying to bring an esoteric exclusive to every episode, and I'm pretty sure this is an esoteric exclusive. So I'm very excited about continuing that tradition. Thanks for introducing that last episode, Jacob.
jacob:That was fun.
Jutim:Yeah. It was great. This one's a a very different vibe than the last but it's hard to it's hard to find another one on
jacob:that too. But,
Jutim:yeah, I'm pretty excited about this, so I'm gonna just
jacob:make this happen. Hear it.
Jutim:I'm pretty excited. So that's my favorite Canadian composer. I think Mario Groven, playing with Aaron Lumley, who is a a really they're both good friends. And I really, two of my favorite instrumentalists in the world, and they make extraordinary music. They live in Amsterdam now.
Jutim:And I'm so excited to be able to share that piece of music with people because it's, it's something pretty special. It's recorded by Simon Walls, who is an incredible recording engineer. It also makes me think about how piano is the best electric electronic instrument that exists. You need synthesizers. Know?
Jutim:Fuck synthesizers. But it's a it's a yeah. That's a really so it's called my heart is a mountain. Yeah. And, yeah, just such an a wonderful piece of music.
Leon:Yeah. It's really, really beautiful. I I, when you were sharing your screen and I saw the title, I was like, wow. That's a really beautiful title. My heart is a mountain.
Leon:And then just got it drawn into the music and was, like, concentrating on the music and completely forgot about the title. And but the image that came to my mind was that of a glacier. Yeah. And how it just the whole piece sounds like a chord that a glacier would play, but in glacier time. You got Beautiful.
Leon:And, yeah, it was in yeah. It was really, really yeah. It was really, really beautiful. It's such a strange thing to to to let to let yourself be led by something else, you know, just to be completely transported. Each note is just leading you on.
Leon:You're just, like, listening to the decay of the of the the the notes. What what was really striking to me was when the piano, even just in the the monumental first half of the piece where it's just the solo piano, Whenever it would play a lower octave note, I just get, like, really just, like, kinda shaken out of of of yeah. It's yeah. There's something really, like, geological, like, really Mhmm. This whole phenomenon happening.
Leon:It's really, really beautiful.
jacob:I mean, episode five. Episode five.
Jutim:Off to a good start.
jacob:That's how we do it. That's how we do it. Episode five. That was beautiful. That was really, really, really amazing.
jacob:And when the when the base comes in, it's totally unexpected. I mean, the piece kinda reminded me of this. I don't know if you guys know this minimalist piece called by what is it, guys? Hold on a sec. Dennis Johnson called November.
Jutim:Oh, Oh, yeah. Yeah.
jacob:And it kinda reminded me a lot. Yeah. And it kind of fun. That's where it would go the whole way because November just keeps going like this. Then For
Jutim:five hours.
jacob:For five hours. And then it's Yeah. Once the bass comes in, it just totally jarred me.
Leon:But also, how it comes in too is such an amazing piece of synthesis. It's fantastic.
jacob:And the patience to put it there then. Yeah. You know, like people would get really impatient and put it in after like ten minutes or after like five minutes and this thing is just really totally it's like just this second chapter or something like last. I don't know. It's amazing.
jacob:Really, was
Jutim:I also love the one piano note that happens in the middle of the base section. Just like so much restraint. The other thing that's really extraordinary about Mariel's music for I know a lot of her music, and and I I really appreciate her music. It's interesting invoking Dennis Johnson because I think also, I know she plays with the Vondelweisser people quite a bit too, she's involved in that community, is very glacial and minimalist. But there's this thing that is exceptional about Mariel's music to me that it's incredibly, like, sensual and lyrical.
Jutim:Like and there's just this lyricalness to it that's so really and it's really interesting too in relationship to episode four because Mariel also shreds in a very surprising way. Like, I've seen her she is the most punk rock piano player I've ever seen. Like, I've seen her play super heavy noise shows and and also play violin, like, just super amazing free violinist that, like, just shreds like crazy. And and, so it's really nice, this this range. But there's always this really profound emotional presence in her music that I I find so, like, rare and really special.
Jutim:Like, it's it's really, yeah, really, really grateful to to know her and know her music.
Leon:It's That's wonderful. Wonderful stuff. That was beautiful. And it was totally, yeah. This is certainly a very good way of seeing the winter in Montreal.
Leon:Yeah. Of relating to the winter. Yeah. Yeah.
Jutim:It's on heavy rotation throughout the winter. It is. It's really true.
Leon:That's that was beautiful. Thank you for thank you for sharing that. And so you're pretty sure this is a CD Esoteric exclusive.
Jutim:Yeah, Mario, please correct me or Aaron if you guys are listening because I know you check-in sometimes on the pod. If you're listening and I'm wrong, let me know. But originally, I was actually going to release this. I made a record label and a book publishing thing for a minute that I produced one we put out one record that was actually Aaron's solo bass record and a little book. And I was gonna put Mario's record out of this, but it never got like, it was I I was terrible at the distribution and terrible at making people get the records.
Jutim:So I felt like it was kind of I would be doing her a disservice to to try and put it out. So but I don't know if it's ever been released anywhere else. So, Marielle, if this is exclusive it isn't exclusive, let me know. But I'm pretty sure that this may be the first other ears aside from the immediate circle of friends that heard this.
Leon:But regardless, it was absolutely worthwhile sharing this. Thank you very much.
Jutim:Yeah. Thanks to you guys for listening. It's great.
Leon:Who's next? I got I got something. Go
jacob:for it.
Leon:Is that okay? It's a Yeah. It's like a different register, but it's it's still
jacob:Episode five, man. Episode five.
Leon:Episode five.
Jutim:You can keep going with the episode yeah. Extend the knowledge.
Leon:So this is a track, from the seventies by an Italian prog guy called Alan Sorrenti. It's a beautiful beautiful song called Angelo.
Jutim:That was great too.
jacob:What a song.
Leon:That was Alan Sorrenti with a song called Angelo. That's neat. Taken from a 1973 record called out on the harlot. Pardon my Italian. Alan Sorrente is like a pop singer now, basically.
Leon:He he still has that kinda crooning thing going. I think he put out a couple of dance dancer disco records, like, in the in the late seventies and kinda went on this pop trajectory. But this is his second album. His first album, called Aria, I think, is kind of more of a classic in the psych prog, world. But, yeah, I it's the record is, like, basic I think it's six songs.
Leon:The first five songs are side a. They're all really pretty songs. And then side b is, like, this, you know, twenty five minute, title track, which is kind of, super spacey and and amazing. It's a a really good album to check out.
jacob:The percussion's amazing.
Jutim:Yeah. Yeah.
jacob:Yeah. Yeah. But the
Leon:way it's recorded, The tambourine, like, right next to your ear? Yeah.
Jutim:That recording is amazing too. It also kinda reminded me of the Sylvia Toretzee record that came out last year that's super beautiful. If you don't know, it's totally worth probably something I'll throw on the pod. She's like, she plays violin with Eliane Reddyk, but she put out this really extraordinary, really, really extraordinary pop. Well, I mean, if you wanna call that pop, but, like, the this kind of experimental Prague Italian in the tradition of that music, really great, great record, like, maybe two years ago.
Jutim:That's one of my favorites.
Leon:Oh, what what's her name again?
jacob:Sylvia
Jutim:Tarozzi. Tarozzi. Yeah.
Leon:Tarozzi. Yeah. She's she's incredible.
Jutim:I mean, so much for music. So many but it it sounds in the same terrain as that. Maybe mix mix in a little Marissa Monty. It's, like, super good. But this is, like, Italian music from that man, I have such a mad I've developed such a crazy respect for Italian avant garde music, both Prague and experimental classical over the past few years.
Jutim:Like, I've gone super deep down that rabbit hole. There's so much. Mhmm. But I didn't know this guy at all, except that he was a Eurovision contestant
jacob:Oh, really?
Jutim:Contestant in 1980.
jacob:Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Wow.
Jutim:Came in third or something. Big hit Eurovision track. I love that too when when music musicians go from this to, like, this crazy pop. Like, I don't know if you guys have ever heard there's, like, the great like, I mean, the cheesiest Canadian Western Canadian band Chilliwack that did that Gong Gong Gong Gong solo track.
jacob:And
Jutim:they had that they had, like, their second record. This the whole second side of it is, like, no neck. Like, it's just this abstract freak out. That would be a great thing to play on the pod too. It's really, really hilarious.
Jutim:So I love when people go from this super space thing to pop. Like,
Leon:it's so
Jutim:interesting. Like, you don't hear any of this in, you know, what their leader music sounds like. But I wonder where their relationship to that music is still.
Leon:Yeah. Yeah. I mean, in this case, you can really you can imagine that this guy is a songwriter. And, basically, if you were just to extract his
Jutim:The song.
Leon:The the song, it could be it could be played straight. You know? But but, yeah, it's it's just the I I love the the freeness of it, but in this kind of song structure. I really it's just cascading around you. It's What year is it from?
Leon:It's the seventies? '73.
jacob:'73.
Jutim:It's got, like, a Robert Wyatt rock bottom kind of vibe to it too
jacob:a little
Jutim:bit, you know, like, with the really high vocals and the super abstract. Like, beautiful. Beautiful. Jacob, what's up? Oh, man.
Jutim:I had I had Episode five.
jacob:Episode five. After your track, I had something really good and then I can't no. Play it because But then I've got something that's maybe is gonna mix both of them,
Jutim:maybe. Amazing. Amazing.
jacob:But still a song but kind of a wintery maybe and gloomy in a good way. Let me just share this little song here.
Leon:Gloomy in a good way.
Jutim:Gloomy in a good way.
jacob:So So this is a he's like a huge Turkish singer and there was a time I was really into kind of all this stuff from the seventies Turkish and I discovered this guy and this track particularly is just out of this world.
Jutim:It's got a real Scott Walker kind of
jacob:It does.
Jutim:Like Scott Walker, Douglas Sirk,
jacob:like Yeah.
Jutim:Totally. Wow.
jacob:With almost like an operatic kind of, idea, like, just like, vocals. So
Leon:So good. This is like karaoke material. Like, a 100% karaoke material. Wow. Yep.
Leon:Can you can you repeat the the artist's name again? Sorry.
jacob:I guess he's you can I'm not Turkish, but I guess it's, like, Cem Karaca. Cem the first name Karaca, this is called Emrak. And then, you know, I met this guy, in fact, I have this friend here from Azerbaijan and because I guess, like, it's related to Turkey a little bit. And and as soon as I told him, I like this guy, it was like total props, like instant props. It's just like, oh, yeah.
jacob:Oh, yeah. How do you know this guy, man? Like, holy shit. Like, he's the man. So good props to get.
Jutim:I also, like, super respect the very limited note instrumental solo. Like, I think that solo is, like,
jacob:three notes. You know? Was like, it's it's fantastic. Like Yeah. Yeah.
jacob:Yeah.
Jutim:Neil Young clearly studied this for guitar solos. I'm just like, this is fantastic. Yeah. So great.
Leon:And it's so lush. It's like reverb on every Yeah. Yeah. Ocean. Yeah.
Leon:So good. Well It's
jacob:got a winter vibe. Right? It's got a
Jutim:winter perfect Perfect bridge between those two tracks too.
jacob:Oh, yeah. That was that was, like,
Leon:It was really well placed. Exactly. It's like you fed it to to a data center, and you said, find the halfway.
jacob:You know, don't you don't need AI when you got me. Send me your mails.
Jutim:You actually are chat GPT.
jacob:You're just making all the games. I just mixed two things, but the thing is I just mixed two things into one. Oh, yeah. Halfway through, that's all I do. Fantastic.
Leon:That was so good. Wow.
jacob:Love you
Jutim:have inspired a track, like, on the Douglas Cirque trip.
jacob:This is, like, tip. This is
Jutim:no. Like, it's really, like, I'm going down that I'm going down that tunnel hard, and I'll explain this afterwards. It's it's pretty pretty perfect as a response to that.
Song:The tarnished angels introduction. Engines, airplanes, ravens, hats and coats, smoke and fire, teeth that glitter, sparrows, mouths, confetti. Man laughs. Band plays a lively march. Laughs.
Song:Laughs. Laughs. I had a nightmare. I was on fire. Knock on door, jazz music, noise from party, rautious laughter, streaking, rautious laughter.
Song:Laughter continues. I'm hungry. You are a lonesome crazy bird. Loneliness makes us lie. What to do?
Song:Nobody knows. You'll die while you ply. You will die while you fly, you are lonesome crazy bird. Ghosts, scrawling, engine misfires, screams, sobbing, man sobs. The pythons are screaming, the angels are on fire.
Song:The pythons are screaming, The angels are on fire. Angels are on fire. Laughs. Laughs. Laughs.
Song:Phone rings. Knock at door. Door closes. Fire, white smoke, black smoke, the end.
jacob:Goddamn. This shit is like episode five is like Episode five. This is like the emo edition. This is like My god.
Leon:Might have to take a break at some point. Jesus Christ.
Jutim:So this is a a really interesting conceptual artist from Sweden, Isaac Sundstrom, who I'm fascinated by. I love all of his work. And it's basically he's taking the subtitles from Douglas Sirk films, the text that describe the sound effects and events that occur out of the screen, and then using that for the text for the for the for for what's reading. And he's he's really, really interesting. He always does this very histrionic emotional art, and one of his other really wonderful pieces is, this kind of legendary obscure record called Rocks and Waves Song Circle where he brought a a Mexican gospel choir together with a Haitian soloist doing compositions that he did while he was on a trip to Mexico that y'all kinda threw together in a week.
Jutim:And it I'll play that in another episode. It's incredible too. But it's just like it's all
Rick holmes:this
Jutim:really just overabundant emotional, but then this very kind of self aware relationship to it that's really meta on so many levels. So it's just really, like yeah. He's fascinating. I love I love him. Felt like a great
Leon:Yeah.
jacob:Yeah. Yeah. That was perfect. That was
Jutim:Yeah. Great move after your last, like, this is my Yeah. Encounter. I was
jacob:like, great chattelman. Yeah. It's good. Oh, Jesus. I didn't see that one coming.
Leon:But also, like, what a baritone. It's, like, such a beautiful voice.
jacob:Yeah. Yeah.
Jutim:It's such beautiful voice. Vincent Williams is the narrator and yeah. And just the the way he bursts into song. On many of the other tracks, he doesn't do that. So there's just this such, like, excessive moment where he you know, the pythons are screaming, and he's singing.
Jutim:Great. It's so beautiful.
Leon:Beautiful. Yeah. This is, like I mean, no shade, but this is a 100 times better than than than the first Godspeed record. It does it.
Jutim:Right? Like, it does what that record's trying to do, but another another love another love.
jacob:It's amazing. It's got a sense
Jutim:of it's got a sense of itself that that record doesn't have.
Leon:Yeah. I have something that'll that'll follow that pretty well, I think.
jacob:Man, episode five is like Episode five is
Leon:a lot almost killing it.
Jutim:With a lot of feeling.
Leon:I'm not gonna say anything about this. I'm just gonna play it.
jacob:This is for anyone who's ever had to move. That
Leon:was the soundtrack to a short video piece called Moving Day by the inimitable animal charm from 1996. I've I really wanted to just play the sound to draw attention to how good they are, how talented they are at, in the sound aspect of things. Because animal charm is all about, like, you know, just the video cut ups and stuff, but their sound work, I've always found to be, like, really, really, really top notch. So, and this is, like, one of the rare, instances where there's actual, like, singing on top of the collage work. So
jacob:I don't know.
Jutim:Animal Charming oh my god, Jacob. They're incredible.
Leon:No. Yeah. Yeah. No. Jacob.
Leon:You know you know Animal Charm. Yeah. It's It's familiar.
Jutim:Golden Digest. Like, Mark, what's the Mark? What's it? The video there's so many they do they they yeah. You the second you watch one of their videos, you'll you'll be like, oh, animal charm.
Leon:It's old corporate video cut ups.
jacob:Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay.
jacob:I know what that is. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Jutim:Yeah. Yeah.
jacob:Yeah. The the name was familiar to me, but I wasn't sure if I knew it.
Jutim:I always get them confused with Ant Farm video just because the names, but it's a the the projects are very different. But the it's really, any listeners that have not watched these videos, you must drop everything immediately and go and and find them because they're if there's any YouTube links, just drop them in the show notes, Leon, because they're
jacob:Yeah. Yeah.
Jutim:Yeah. They're they're really yeah. It's it's like a it's just the greatest greatest of this genre of stuff. It's pretty crazy. There's some new I'm trying to remember.
Jutim:There's a band that that really reminded me of. What's their name? I have them in my I'll have to dig it up. But there's a I it's a yeah. There's a contemporary band that has a really similar vibe to that.
Jutim:And the thing that makes me feel when I listen to them or this, it makes me feel like these people know something I don't know, they're better than I've ever done. Like, I'm like, you know. Like, you have phenomenological horizon that I do not have. You know? Like, it's a
jacob:Well said. That's well put. Blank, blank, blank.
Jutim:Maybe it's the band.
jacob:I can't It reminds me of something as well, but I can't also, I can't pinpoint it. There's something about the singing and the way that it's all weird and dreamy and weird.
Leon:Yeah. My, initial reaction was an association that turned out to be prophetic. It really reminded me of, the unsavory character, Ariel Pink.
jacob:What an what an introduction. That was great.
Leon:However and it turns out that Animal Charm have collaborated with Ariel Pig in in the past. I don't know if they Mhmm. Are super proud of that or not, but whatever. You know? But, animal charm, utmost respect for them.
Leon:I don't even know if they're still active. It you know, old v h VHS tapes must be really hard to come by now, so I guess they're they've probably moved on to other forms of art. Yeah, no. It's it's like some of the best definitely some of the best art period that I've ever ever seen in my life, animal charm stuff.
Jutim:The band I was thinking of is Blanche Blanche Blanche
jacob:who are
Leon:Blanche Blanche Blanche.
Jutim:Yeah. Very I think I've sent the video of them to you guys on our thread at some point. It's got that same kind of un very wildly uneasy. Makes you feel really wrong inside. Oh,
jacob:you totally send the blanch blanch blanch. I know what that is. Yeah. Yeah. I remember now.
jacob:Yeah.
Jutim:Jacob, what you got?
jacob:Oh, I've got something.
Jutim:Episode five. Episode
jacob:five. I've got the perfect track. And it so happens also the title is perfect for this whole winter thing you guys are we're doing here. Okay? Can't believe the title of the track and the music works too.
jacob:Okay? Check it out. So so you guys know this stuff, but anyway but maybe people don't know this stuff.
Jutim:You can never know what the people are gonna know.
jacob:So here we go. So that was a great Bill Dixon from the great box set called Odyssey, and the track is called When Winter Comes. So there you go.
Jutim:Yeah. Episode five. I mean, I mean five. The trumpet is the greatest electronic instrument.
jacob:It's the greatest electronic instrument. Fox synthesis.
Jutim:That's all I
jacob:gotta say. Yeah.
Leon:That's beautiful. Beautiful.
jacob:What a strange sounding track. I don't know. Recording of it is so amazing. Yeah. Unreal.
Leon:Plate reverb. And so it's like, yeah. That's like a really big thorough line in this whole episode. Just like the big plate reverb on everything. Plate reverb.
Leon:Big sound. Bill Dixon, I I, I was remembering him in in that documentary, Imagine the Sound.
Jutim:Oh, yeah.
jacob:Yeah. He was there. Yeah.
Leon:Cut such a striking figure, like, so so erudite and eloquent. You know? So good. Yeah. And he's he's the one I I think the whole time he's talking, he always had, like, a glass of wine.
Leon:Yeah. Yeah. Glass of wine while he's talking. So good.
Jutim:I mean, he's so interesting because he played such a key part in the development of jazz, but also was really outside of
jacob:He's such an outsider.
Jutim:Like, such an outsider, but, like, also was so formative in as an educator and, you know, it, like, really moved the music forward in really incredible ways and and then would dip in and out. Like, you know, he's got those couple records on Soul Note, and then, you know, the one that he did with Thrill Jockey with Rob Mazurik, and, like like and then the the really incredible, I think that was recorded at Victo, actually, with Tony Oxley and Cecil Taylor that was just, like, mind blowing, like and he just kinda show up, you know, and drop bombs of awesomeness and then retreat back to his, you know, university setting where he'd and it's cool because I I kinda always was suspicious of the academy, you know, like, in music. But then when I see what he did or, like, what Bob Ashley did at at Mills, you know, there's, like, these places where some of these academies really supported this just wild outsider edge of music. I think about Saint Anj right now in like, he's tea in Quebec some Quebec university, and he's just able to be like, he's a teacher, and he's totally doing the Bill Dixon.
Jutim:Like, he's just it's allowing him to be even further out than he ever was.
Leon:Right. Right.
Jutim:So I'm just like and, you know, hopefully
jacob:He's gonna create some mini some mini Saint Hommes, like some mini Saint Hommes munchkins.
Leon:Yeah. That would be that
Jutim:the world needs mini Saint Hommes munchkins. So shout we should throw a shout out to Alex Saint Anj at the show. He's too, like, mad, such a special special person. Yeah. Yeah.
Jutim:So that was that was something Jacob's thinking.
jacob:That was nice. Yeah. I like that. Yeah.
Leon:This is beautiful.
Jutim:We sold that box set. Well, I I had a copy of it, and
jacob:You had it. I remember you had it.
Jutim:And I was starving because we were getting paid $7 an hour at Esoteric. And, I was working one day a week. So I sold it, and and one of our great customers bought it, and I was he was a little reluctant at first, I was just hyping it because it deserves it. And I was, like, I was really sad to let go of that. That was a really
jacob:It's called the Odyssey, man. It's called the Odyssey. Gotta think of
Jutim:It lives up to the title. It does. It does. It's a Absolutely. It's an adventure in sound.
Jutim:Mhmm. So I got I got a nice I'm gonna go what that what that lacked in bathos had made up for in sonic excellence, so I'm going straight back to the bathos again. We're going to the big overemotional overemotional style.
jacob:But I That was just a bridge. That was just a bridge.
Jutim:It's perfect. It's gotta go back to the back to the painfully emotional stuff. You gotta keep it going that way for episode five. I gotta survive February. Here we go.
jacob:That was amazing.
Jutim:That's a Fitzgore and talisman requiem for Julian Cannonball Adderley. I love drone music. I love I love a track. Like, this is I know not being facetious, but it's it's incredible because it's kind of a coda that's stretched to thirteen minutes long. Like, I'm like, how do you how, like, how do you pull that off?
Jutim:You know? And it's so powerful.
jacob:And Could just keep going and going.
Jutim:And it it and it just like you're like, how is this ever gonna end? Because it all feels like the ending, which is a beautiful thing to do for a requiem, you know, and, like, this, like, it's this such a beautiful sense of loss and and so powerful. Like, what a so he's a Jamaican tenor player. I also love this music because there is, this is music by, like, an extraordinary player and a and a really deep rich and his other record like, all of his music's incredible. No one like, it's so obscure.
Jutim:Like, this is so off the trail of
jacob:It's shocking.
Jutim:Yeah. And and such exceptional music. And it it makes me so happy about what music is. You know? That, like, this is, like, the most anti capitalist music in the world.
Jutim:It's just music getting made because it's there, and it's gotta get made. And it's gives me hope in in heavy times that this is always happening somewhere. You know? And it's yeah. Just So beautiful.
Jutim:So grateful for this music. And, sir, are you gonna say that?
Leon:Yeah. Is this recent? Or is
Jutim:this No. It's, like, old old old, like like, yeah. I think seventies. What year is this from? I'm not sure.
Jutim:It's, '75. And the a really interesting band too, like, drummers from Hungary, super, like, I think it I'm not sure where sure where the bass player's from, but it's a it's a really, really interesting band. And, also, to go back to your Italian track, the percussion, like, the drumming on that track? Yeah. Holy shit.
Jutim:And and also to the the tambourine, like, you know, you got the the the triangle right in your ear there. It's like
Leon:The triangle and the clave the clave is the best electronic instrument.
jacob:It's great. Great. Yeah. Yeah. Fun Fuck synthesized.
jacob:Synthesized.
Leon:This is gonna be
Jutim:this episode is the
jacob:best electronic instrument to ever
Leon:Do do you know if this was recorded in Jamaica or it's just
Jutim:No. I don't believe so. I think it was recorded in in in the the name of the album's amazing too, Sound Magnificat. Sound Magnificat. What a great great that's exactly what it is.
Jutim:I think maybe Sweden or, like, somewhere in Europe, I think. Copenhagen, maybe, is where it was recorded. But, yeah, what an exceptional It's
jacob:like That was profoundly beautiful, I'd say. Yeah. Just mean, this is why I like free jazz, I think. I mean, there's just the it's like the emotions are so direct and, yeah, I can't even express it with words because I wouldn't, you know, give it justice, but that was profoundly beautiful.
Jutim:Yeah, and highly recommend checking out Fitzgore's whole discography. It's really exceptional music, really great.
jacob:And episode five, sorry, let me just underline this again. Episode five? What the hell? Episode five.
Jutim:What's the greatest electronic instrument?
jacob:Episode five is the greatest electronic instrument ever.
Leon:So the this next one I'm gonna play is kind of a blockbuster, but there's no way around not playing this. Marshall Allen is releasing his first solo record this month.
Jutim:Finally. We've been we've been we've been waiting for this for a while.
Leon:Yeah. So there's a couple of tracks that are that are out there right now. I'm gonna play one of them. That's amazing. The title track of the album, New Dawn, and it's featuring Nina Cherry.
jacob:Here we go. Wow. That was wonderful. Yeah. That was really wonderful.
Leon:Marshall Allen still going. New Dawn, title track from his forthcoming record. I think the there's someone from another member of the a younger member of the orchestra helped him look at and also, like, look at new compositions to to for this record. So it's what I'm struck by with this track is how it sounds like a standard. It's like I already knew this track.
jacob:Yeah. I know. But
Leon:it's unclear whether it's it's, like, completely fresh or if it's something that that was dug up.
Jutim:I was, just reading that, while we're listening to that, that this started this album started being recorded two days after Marshall Allen's hundredth birthday.
jacob:I mean
Leon:The rebel without a pie. He he is
Jutim:sending us into the future gracefully. You know, in an alternate timeline, I kept thinking about this in in a better alternate timeline where CD Esoteric is still open as a store, Friends are are thriving and that that are not around anymore, etcetera. Nana Cherry is actually the current president of The United States. And this is a this is the timeline I wish I was living in.
Leon:I I really love the respectfulness with which that's she awesome. Yeah. Well, respect or just like she just tapped into the right the correct vibe, I think.
Jutim:Oh, yeah. I mean, she's channeling June Tyson in a big way too. Like, it's so nice. Yeah. Yeah.
jacob:Have a great anecdote.
Jutim:Are so beautiful. Sorry, Jude.
jacob:Sorry. Go ahead. Go ahead.
Jutim:No. Please. I was be you.
jacob:I was just smiling because I'm reminded of this anecdote that a friend of mine went to see the orchestra last year. So and I was like, in England. And I was like, so how was it? And he was like, yeah. It was amazing.
jacob:But, you know, Marshall Allen, he was doing backflips on the stage. I was worried for the guy, but no. He's doing backflips on this thing. So it's kind of amazing. Amazing.
Leon:I mean,
Jutim:free jazzy is the power of the universe. That's great.
Leon:So there's a whole a whole record to look forward.
jacob:That's incredible.
Jutim:Valentine's Day. It's getting released on it is a Valentine's to the fucking world. Like, that is like, no one is alone on Valentine's Day with that record going out. Oh, that was great, Leon. Thank you.
jacob:Yeah. That was a that was a total surprise. That was amazing.
Leon:Yeah. I I was actually quite surprised to to hear you know, I was super excited when I found out that you had a a record coming out. And I go, wow, Nina Cherry singing this, I gotta I gotta hear it. And then when I turned it on, it's like, oh, okay. It's like the big band thing.
Leon:Alright. Alright.
jacob:But it's also, like, instantly timeless. It feels like Exactly.
Leon:Exactly. I've listened to this song so many times since since I I first heard it, and I can't stop listening to it. It's just so comforting Yeah. So soothing.
Jutim:The other thing the the thing I love about what makes it so orchestra and, like, the sense of of, like, swing that is that weird, like, time lag other alternate universe swing that the orchestra has on ballads Yeah. That no one else has. Right? Like, it's just like, what's happening with time? It's so advanced.
jacob:And droopy a
Leon:little bit.
Jutim:Advanced. It's like, yeah, it's really got its own universe. I love it.
Leon:It's its own droop.
Jutim:Yeah. It's got a different center of gravity. You know? It's like gravity is working differently in in that universe, in that time. To be to
Leon:be clear, this is not an orchestra record. There are some members of the
jacob:orchestra record.
Leon:But it's it's I think it's mostly young Philly.
Jutim:Great.
jacob:That's amazing. It's incredible. So my sending us off. Is that it?
Jutim:You gotta take us
jacob:I'm ginger. I've got a good one. I think it's a good one. And it's and and it might might send us off into winter in a nice way. So so let's give it a try here.
jacob:Let's let's give it a try. Episode five.
Jutim:Yeah. Wow.
jacob:Wow. Good episode. So here we go.
Jutim:Oh, nice.
jacob:So what the hell? That was John Cage.
Jutim:You know, that's like the the
jacob:That's beautiful. Called landscape what is it called actually? Forget what it's called. In a landscape. In a landscape.
jacob:1940 But I've never heard John Cage be so emo. I mean, it's
Jutim:It's it's funny. It's actually I don't know if it's because we started with Mariel's piece or I know I know quite a few different renditions of that piece, and that's, like, the speed metal version of that.
jacob:That's the fastest.
Jutim:It's the fastest I've ever heard that play. The the tempo of, like, crazy fast. Yeah. Yeah. Do you know who the pianist is on it?
jacob:No. I'd have to check. I'd have to check. I may have heard one also that was slower, but a bit slower, not much, much slower.
Jutim:I that was really significantly faster than any version I've ever heard of that,
jacob:but it is beautiful,
Jutim:like super beautiful performance of it too.
jacob:Such a not John Cage piece. It's such a strange thing to me.
Jutim:I would I I would challenge that. There's a lot of really lyrical John Cage, and and I'm surprised by the lack of
jacob:Promoting that. The
Jutim:of of people not talking about that side of his music. Like, Postcards From Heaven is, like, super beautiful. The harp music and there's some, like, accordion stuff that's really, really lyrical. He's like yeah. And even the later, like, I love the number pieces.
jacob:Yeah. Those are beautiful.
Jutim:They're super,
jacob:super Yeah. Those are amazing. Too. And
Jutim:yeah. So I don't know. I think he's he's just got a like, you know, because of the noisy stuff, he gets a wrap. He gets
jacob:a I bet anything when he was writing this, he was looking out the window, and there was a lot of snow. Winter. And and the wind was just, you know, just banging against his window, and he made this piece. I'm sure of it.
Jutim:Such a beautiful piece. Such a beautiful piece.
Leon:Thanks for thanks for doing the loop around. Was great.
Jutim:Yeah. It's a perfect full circle. You know? It's great.
jacob:That was a great episode.
Leon:Seven five. Strictly fingers.
Jutim:Yeah. It was pretty next level. We're getting better.
jacob:It's a wonderful time. Such great music. Really
Jutim:Yeah. It's so great to spend time with you guys and and enjoy your fantastic taste in music. Thank you. Yeah.
Leon:Thanks, thanks, everyone, and, we'll catch you we'll catch you next time.
jacob:I love Fort Worth. I I forget I'm a Texan now. I've even got the Texan accent.